My lord, I've never seen such a combination of fawning and fascism at precisely the same moment on Meet The Press. Hey, Giuliani. Criticizing our leadership is not criticizing the troops. Bite me, Giuliani.
Well, this is certainly one thing which is driving the republicans absolutely insane. One thing that really has changed since Vietnam is that criticism of the troops is almost completely non-existent - even after the revelations of torture n' such. And this frustrates the right so much that they literally have to start talking out their asses in order to desperately try to paint the left as a bunch of people who hate the troops.
I was talking with my dad about this last week. One thing that is stunningly different about the Iraq war vs. Vietnam is that the protests began before the war. Even though it took an unbelievable amount of crap before the liberal hawks started dropping like stones, there was still a significant portion of the population which was not fooled by the whole thing. We were not shy and let our voice be known. Thanks to the information age, the message was out there and regardless of whether the "adults" believed it, it was in their face all the time.
Vietnam went on for years. And that builds up a lot of bile and venom. Brown stamps piled up until even people who had been spat upon for fighting the war when they returned turned against the war and joined the protests. And when you have that much bile and venom stored up, people lash out. It's unhealthy.
In any event, I do find it a measure of the progression of the American left wing that we now start early and keep up the pressure - even when we're being literally threatened with treason and worse. And doubly cool that the left kept up this anger and resolve without letting it poison their own responses by lashing out in frustration.
Best of all, this really, really, REALLY pisses off the Republicans who thought they could count on using their biggest stick against the left.
Oh, and just one more time. Bite me, Giuliani. Bite me hard.
Question:
What do you call it when you lose 1200 men over a 2 year period:
Liberating 50 million people.
Establishing a new democracy and building a foundation for another.
Taking down a murderous dictatorship.
Establishing a friendly forward base smack dab in the middle of indian country.
Putting the terrorists on notice that if they hurt us we will kill them.
Actually killing hundreds if not thousands of terrorists.
Disrupting the operations of the largest terrorist network?
It's called victory ladies.
Hope you girls are ready for your November surprise.
Mark
Giuliani/Rice08
Thanks mark for the Rove talking points version of reality.
Same old boring propaganda...Sounds like someone is careful to "stay on message" less they must come face to face with their traumatic delusions....Actually, Rove knows the reality, he just knows how to twist it to make it look like something else, like fast food for the brain too lazy to think for themselves....This squatter administration looks upon all their cheering sheeple as cash crop fools....
Shine On Hal...
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No troops were 'spit on' after Vietnam. That was a bit of an urban legend.
And, yes, mark is an idiot. Did he see Usama on tv the other day? Tool.
I never know what's an urban legend wrt Vietnam. I have seen some extremely nasty film footage and such, but given what the media reported of the current go around wrt the Iraq war, I have zero faith that this is an accurate version reality.
What I found fascinating was the whole "We are going to drive you into bankruptcy" shtick that Usama was pushing. He's right, of course. We are going to go bankrupt if these jokers keep us on the crash course we're on. . .